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Do you still need to use the Gentoo handbook to complete an installation? |
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CoderMan Apprentice
Joined: 10 Aug 2009 Posts: 173
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: Do you still use the handbook? |
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Do you still need to refer to the Gentoo handbook to complete a Gentoo installation? _________________ Like computers but don't like programming? Then you missed the whole point.
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Roman_Gruber Advocate
Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 3846 Location: Austro Bavaria
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Ok again:
Well each time I install a notebook, I only use notebooks I use the handbook and the internet!
Well I know the basic steps but I refer to the handbook and go through. Some things are very clear.
Basically I use first a gparted cd to set up partitions because I dont know how to calculate cylinders to get exact size (e.g. 25gb) partitions.
To set up network and encryption I use the internet.
Well I dont know how often do I set up a box.
My old notebook, 1.8ghz turion: 2 or 3 times
My new notebook: at least 3 or 4 times.
But some things arent documented so well. E.g. encryption of the harddisc or using encrypted swap space. So using the Internet is essential.
Well now I dont have a swap space, because I dont know how to set this up with tuxonice. Well It doesnt matter because the notebook has a hardware issue and so I install in the next days 2 cheaper notebooks each cost around 500 euros.
The handbook of gentoo is good. You can find the related steps.
I have set up Opensuse linux, but the documentation there is worse. How to install updates and so on
Redflag Linux is a pain in the ass, because I cant read chinese
Debian, I wanted to try it but I gave up then, when I started to read about it. 3 years old software, ...
Ubuntu + Arch linux: at least easy to isntall and to update, but in each, no hardware acceleration four your graphics card.
gentoo: I started 3 or 4 years ago again with linux and I read in wikipedia about distributions and gentoo was the only source based distro. If I wanted a binary distro, where is the point to switch to linux, I could have stayed in windows world. Binary distros have the same problems as windows have, they are so unflexible.
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John R. Graham Administrator
Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 10652 Location: Somewhere over Atlanta, Georgia
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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I voted "Yes" because I still use the Handbook lightly during an install and because it changes, ever so slowly, over the years. I've probably done on the order of 20 installs from ground zero and I do know most of it by now.
- John _________________ I can confirm that I have received between 0 and 499 National Security Letters. |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Me too, and for the record, I never print the handbook, I use SystemRescueCD to surf the net and I use my own installation Wiki to do my installation.
I double check once in a while if there's something new inside the original handbook. |
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platojones Veteran
Joined: 23 Oct 2002 Posts: 1602 Location: Just over the horizon
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't used it in years, since I only re-install when I get a new box. But it's still the best-of-class and I don't think a noob could manage without it. |
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disi Veteran
Joined: 28 Nov 2003 Posts: 1354 Location: Out There ...
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Of course I use those:
Gentoo Documentation Resources
And those as well, especially for arm:
Gentoo Handbook
I prefer the "all in one page" version, sometimes you just miss something. Additional you have all the links in one place, like gentoo mirrors etc.
On the livecd, if you use one, it comes in handy to have the browser open and follow the steps.
At the moment my laptop is rebuilding and I need to remember to change the root password _________________ Gentoo on Uptime Project - Larry is a cow |
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96140 Retired Dev
Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 1324
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:50 am Post subject: |
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I write the handbooks, and I still use 'em.
Not just for installs, but when I need to look up somethin' related to system administration. I also use the quick install guide when doing a regular install, referring to the main handbooks for anything else I need.
Most recently I used the handbooks when I was getting a Beagleboard up and running for SCALE 8x. |
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Jaglover Watchman
Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 8291 Location: Saint Amant, Acadiana
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:08 am Post subject: |
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Quick install guide, I install only when I get a new box, doesn't happen often. |
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XQYZ Apprentice
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 231 Location: Europe
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:17 am Post subject: |
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The past few installations I haven't used them. I don't think there's much to go wrong about if you already know Gentoo for a while. In my very recent installation I did use the "Setup Raid" guide in the Gentoo wiki. |
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Frustie Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 31 Aug 2007 Posts: 102 Location: My own little planet.
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:41 am Post subject: |
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yes, i skim some parts, and also look up settings that ive previously forgotten |
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keenblade Veteran
Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 1087
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:42 am Post subject: |
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I always check the handbook to see if something has been changed before an install. I sometimes take a quick look at it, even I am not installing, but just to be sure the preferred applications, and the way of installing (like localization) is current for my gentoo.
You know, this is a procedural thing, and there is always a risk that you forget something, if you are not installing often. _________________ Anyway it's all the same at the end...
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Roman_Gruber Advocate
Joined: 03 Oct 2006 Posts: 3846 Location: Austro Bavaria
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:13 am Post subject: |
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nightmorph wrote: | I write the handbooks, and I still use 'em.
Not just for installs, but when I need to look up somethin' related to system administration. I also use the quick install guide when doing a regular install, referring to the main handbooks for anything else I need.
Most recently I used the handbooks when I was getting a Beagleboard up and running for SCALE 8x. |
Nice work, thank you. |
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depontius Advocate
Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 3509
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I don't install that often, so whenever I do, I'm not confident in my memory of the niggly little details. _________________ .sigs waste space and bandwidth |
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bobspencer123 Guru
Joined: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 544
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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I also now use the quick install ... but usually check out the handbook for any changes. I haven't done a complete reinstall in about 2 years though. _________________ Increasingly becoming a 2 channel audio nut! |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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tw04l124 wrote: | nightmorph wrote: | I write the handbooks, and I still use 'em.
Not just for installs, but when I need to look up somethin' related to system administration. I also use the quick install guide when doing a regular install, referring to the main handbooks for anything else I need.
Most recently I used the handbooks when I was getting a Beagleboard up and running for SCALE 8x. |
Nice work, thank you. |
Indeed, thanks |
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NeddySeagoon Administrator
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 54550 Location: 56N 3W
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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I still skim the handbook for my installs to make sure I don't miss something.
Also the install process is not identical between archs and I have x86, amd64 and SPARC installs.
I also refer to it in posts on the forums to keep Gentoo beginners on the rails.
Thanks for your writing nightmorph _________________ Regards,
NeddySeagoon
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those that do backups
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Muso Veteran
Joined: 22 Oct 2002 Posts: 1052 Location: The Holy city of Honolulu
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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This one I'd have to vote both yes & no. There was a time when I didn't need it at all, I knew the steps for a stage 1 install by heart. But after having not installed it for a couple of years, I needed to have it open on another virtual terminal during my last install. _________________ "You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think" ~ Dorothy Parker
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RedSquirrel Guru
Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 336
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:44 am Post subject: |
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I don't install from scratch very often, so I'd glance at the Handbook (or the Quick Install Guide) to be sure I don't miss anything.
Thanks for all your hard work, nightmorph. |
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dlmalloc n00b
Joined: 21 Jun 2009 Posts: 40 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:27 am Post subject: |
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I keep it open just in case I miss something. I generally don't *need* it but it's nice to have it there. _________________ $ ./lurk;
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aidanjt Veteran
Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1118 Location: Rep. of Ireland
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:27 am Post subject: |
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For x86 or amd64, nope, I remember the procedure off the top of my head. _________________
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SamuliSuominen Retired Dev
Joined: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 2133 Location: Finland
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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I just use few line notes so I don't forget to install something like syslog-ng or set timezone before first boot.
The handbook itself works for that purpose too, though, double-check-list. |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Indeed ssuominen, it's a pretty good checklist |
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psic n00b
Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 63 Location: Slovenia
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Excellent documentation was one of my bigger reasons for switching to Gentoo, quite a few years ago. Since then, I've never reinstalled my main box, but yes, I use the handbook for pretty much any installation (say 20 installations all together) on other computers. I have a few computers so internet access while installing isn't a problem - if nothing else, I always have my trusty EEE PC (the old 704) with me (runs Easy Peasy).
Hats of to nightmorph and everyone else who's helped to make this one of the best Linux distros around _________________ Stumbling around the 'net:
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avx Advocate
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 2152
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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In general, yes, but more as a quick reference as to what has changed. I.e. the netsetup changes every so often, that I sometimes use the wrong syntax - no biggie since I can handle it manually via ifconfig/route, but still, it's a good ressource and I espacially value the work of the guy(forgot his name) who is writing the "linux sea" to get something like FreeBSDs documentation. |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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