Is it time to jump ship?

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:40 pm Post subject:

Princess Nell,

Are you offering to proxy maintain compiz ?

Its an illustrarion of the way Gentoo works. There is nothing to discuss. None of the current Gentoo devs wants/has time to maintain compiz and it can't be left in the tree if it has open bugs.
You can keep using compiz, Put the ebuild into your overlay and unmask it. Do keep your eye on the bugs ... maybe there is a security bug or two?
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massimo · Veteran Joined: 22 Jun 2003 Posts: 1226

Dear Princess,

since you're not the captain you are free to jump ship. Otherwise step up and become someone.
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slackline · Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:37 am Post subject:

Clocked this too and the first thing I did was exactly what Neddy suggested and copied all the ebuilds to a local overlay and unmask. No problem there at all.

Are there any alternatives for providing compositing eye-candy? I've not come across anything in searching.
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baaann · Guru Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 558 Location: uk

Looks like it should be available via Layman

http://gpo.zugaina.org/dev-python/compizconfig-python

slackline · Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject:

Some slightly newer ebuilds for a local overlay are in Bug 357831 although I've no idea if these updates actually address any of the other open bugs (I suspect not!).
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gr0sshirn · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:16 am Post subject:

that's not cool. so many people are using compiz. besides the fancy effects, compiz includes a lot of features which are really helpful, like placing windows and creating thumbnails for minimized windows...

it would be really cool if somebody could take care of it...
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rufioik708 · n00b Joined: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 1 Location: somewhere

what is required to maintain it?

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:06 pm Post subject:

rufioik708,

You need to find a developer to submit your compiz changes to portage. Thats called proxy maintaining. You do the work and get the credit in the changelogs, the developer provides quality assurance for your work and makes the changes to portage for everyone else to enjoy. Thats the easy bit.

The hard bit is maintaining the compiz ebuild(s). ebuilds are bash files that describe to portage what files to fetch and how to build a partitiular package.
A description of all of the dependencies are included too, so that when you emerege <package> portage can build any dependencies that <package> has too, by invoking their ebuilds.
This bit is well documented in the gentoo devmanual.

To test out the water, submit patches for current compiz bugs. Search bugs.gentoo.org, then attach patch files to the bugs(s).
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cbx550f · Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:27 am Post subject:

I think I'd like to take it over - I've been using and enjoying Gentoo for I don't know how many years now (and other flavours of Linux for almost 20 years), and it's about time I give back to Gentoo.

I'm a bit rusty on the ebuild syntax, but that will be the easy part, I'm sure.

Off the cuff, I'm not sure what to do, but I'll start peeking around at the dev docs and have a better look at the bugs.
Any advice on where to go would be appreciated too!

Cheers,

Paul
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ppurka · Advocate Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 3256

Etal · Veteran Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 1931

Also, here's more info on the Proxy Maintaining project: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/proxy-maintainers/index.xml
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NeddySeagoon · Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject:

cbx550f,

Search the gentoo-dev mailing list for the announce/discussion and make a post in that tread with your offer.
Meanwhile, make an account at bugs.gentoo.org and post patches to address the bugs.

When other developers get suffciently annoyed at having to do the boring bit for you, you will be assimilated into gentoo.
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cbx550f · Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:23 am Post subject:

Thanks for the advice - looking into the items mentioned.

SamuliSuominen · Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:24 am Post subject:

Princess Nell · l33t Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Posts: 916

This thread here https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-911802.html provides some more background info I wasn't aware of.

asturm · Developer Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 8942

Fedora is dropping compiz too, development seems to be stale / not capable of fixing longstanding bugs for some time.

cbx550f · Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:11 am Post subject:

While I was really excited about the *idea* of taking of the whole Compiz bit - it's just too big, and too problematic. As it is today, on my development machine, I cannot run it, as it degrades performance too much (wouldn't be the case with proper video hardware).

I'm not ready to 100% give up on it yet, but I'm close. I have really gotten tired of how much KDE and Gnome have become so heavy, and this is not the spot for the Gnome3 discussion. All I know is that about 4 years ago I had neato wobbly windows in a light environment with good performance on WAY less hardware than I have now, and I'd like to see that again.

And on another note: I'd like to finally give back to the whole Gentoo bit; it would likely be smarter to try to maintain something smaller than Compiz to start with... if there's something anyone thinks of, let me know (PM or email pjvint at Gee mail dot calm)

Towel's not thrown in yet, but it's in my hand.

Paul
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NeddySeagoon · Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:38 pm Post subject:

cbx550f,

Post fixes to bugs assigned to maintainer-wanted or maintainer-needed (only one of them exists)
If you have some ebuilds you would like to share, join gentoo-sunrise. Thats #gentoo-sunrise on irc.freenode.net
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