I HATE Portage

racoontje · Veteran Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 1290

You do realise that most of these problems would be fixed if people posted bug reports? You say it doesn't work for you? x86 or ~x86? If it's in stable, did you file a bug report? Did you?

BlinkEye · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:51 pm Post subject:

dat · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:53 pm Post subject:

evoweiss · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:53 pm Post subject:

My overall impression of portage is a positive one. Prior to this I was running Mandrake and the packaging system thereon sucked. I have a redhat machine in my office and, well, it's a big pain to keep up to date and install new stuff given the whole dependency mess.

Anyway, I have found that reporting bugs in portage is a guaranteed way to get them resolved quickly and easily.

Best,

Alex

racoontje · Veteran Joined: 19 Jul 2004 Posts: 1290

dat · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:58 pm Post subject:

DrWoland · l33t Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 603

This thread reeks of user error. So far, every problem I've had with Gentoo was explained by me not paying attention and forgetting to do something.

BlinkEye · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:40 pm Post subject:

ebrostig · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:50 pm Post subject:

I've had really few problems with Portage itself.

I do run ~amd64 and I expect that some packages fails to install, fails during compile etc. Some packages will break other packages. that is the reason why it is marked ~amd64 and as a user you need to be aware of what you are doing.

One of the posters here complained about breaking stuff when using gcc 3.5,what do you expect? It's in active development at the moment and if you mess around with gcc 3.5, i expect that you know what you are doing. If you don't run x86 or amd64 or whatever stabel arch you are on and not the testing flags.

You get what you ask for.

I always use 'emerge -u --deep world' and sometimes that fails or packages do not compile, but I don't get upset because it is expected.

I think Portage have so much other package systems are missing and from what I can see, it's a very lliving thing that gets extended and improved all the time.

Devs: Keep up the good work!

Erik
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rhill · Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 2:29 am Post subject:

blackhorse · Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:26 am Post subject:

Portage is a great feature. I have been using Gentoo for more than half a year and I have only had problems because of myself, or because of KDE over-taxing my system and causing seg-faults. If I want something then I just

Nz_boy_2004 · Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 11:21 pm Post subject:

I rekon portage is kick ass keep up the good work guys, of all the distros ive tryed im abit lyk larry the cow i found one i really like

, gentoo does its job super well its worth the little extra time emergeing programs saves so much hassle.

THANK YOU GENTOO TEAM.

BTW, Dont dog portage it doesnt cost you anything like winslows and if you have a problem just ask in a forum and report the problem how do you think they fix these problems magic.
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thechris · Veteran Joined: 12 Oct 2003 Posts: 1203

missed this for a while.

the -fweb issue IS a portage issue because the package made it to a stable arch -- x86. this should not happen.

the part about GCC was an observation i had. By power user, i mean a person who uses or tweaks every part of the OS. portage has no package.cflags or automated gcc switching. so there is no built in config file to modify. you have to write a program to add these featuers to portage. this has some issues because you don't control portage, and tomorrow the devs might decide to chage the output -- now there is a useflag* to show whats changed. this might break scripts that search for [a-zA-Z0-9\.\/\-].

I've had a lot of issues with "stable" packages failing to compile on the "stable" compiler. it seems the testing packages (~amd64 ~x86) are more stable...

my complaint about gcc3.5 was part of the complaint, not the whole thing. i can see where a user may want to use gcc3.5, gcc3.4, and gcc3.3 for different apps. but doing so breaks the ability to update... I actually implemented this feature in a script once. the script probably won't work anymore...

legine · Guru Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 555 Location: Germany

thechris wrote

thechris · Veteran Joined: 12 Oct 2003 Posts: 1203

there could be some thought to backwards compatibility.

example:
GOOD: windows98 to windowME -- the folder view default changed. if you were unhappy with the change, the option to revert was easy to find in the configuration panel of explorer.
BAD: gnome2.4 to gnome2.6 -- the folder view defauly changed. the option was to revery was taken out of the config panel and placed into a gconf program that started up by saying you should not use gconf...

obviously gentoo is not as insane as gnome. but it has a history of "why?!" changes:
1.) dhcpcd no longer in stages. why?
2.) short atoms no longer allowed in package.keywords. why?
3.) nvidia 6106 goes from ~x86 to -x86. why?
4.) stage1 compile errors. why? (this depends on time. the unstable ebuilds shouldn't make it to x86)
5.) nptl install changed.

in the end i decided to stop making stuff for use with gentoo. it needs some standards first.

lefsha · Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: I HATE Portage

man · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 75

don't be dumb, gentoo is about innovation and forward thinking. i've been using gentoo since 2001 and still do. problems?? of course! solving them is called advancement of knowledge. gentoo was source based from the start. stop your whining bitches.
gentoo ain't about you the individual.

lefsha · Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:09 am Post subject:

Innovations?

Might be possible to ask of a list of innovations? The actual one.

I've been using Gentoo since 2004, cause have not found anything better.
And what? Does it mean no improvements should be done or what?

Gentoo is source based. It's well known. And? Don't get your point.

So, please next time think what you want to say. And don't write just bla bla bla...
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man · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 75

innovation!! c'mon now! the innovation was real choice. i always appreciated 20 calculators on red hat that i didn't want. there is nothing on my gentoo computer that i don't want. gentoo introduced a whole new way of doing things.. that's innovation. gentoo polarised a heap of people unhappy with linux.. that's innovation. gentoo brought together a bunch of people in it not for profit.. that's innovation. i've tried red hat, suse, mandrake, yellow dog, slackware, debian and a few of it's spikes and ubuntu recently and a host of others that i can't remember and don't exist anymore. you oughta broaden your horizons. try the rest then come back and whinge with knowledge. be part of the movement instead of cracking the shits. the source based thing attracted an awful lot of people because it was attractive to the binary hurt people.
lol, i visit the forums every couple of months.. is it frustrating that i'll never read your reply?

lefsha · Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:00 am Post subject:

I'm very sorry if all what you know is redhat!

Look at Debian at least. All normal distributions provides install any packages of your choice.
There is no advantages at all here.

Gentoo introduced nothing! Portes was copied from FreeBSD and got the name Portage.
They just rewrite it in Python.

Gentoo as a polarizator.. well, you have to talk to physicists about it... ;-)

I don't need to try the rest. As I told you already there is nothing better then Gentoo overthere. But Gentoo sucks. It could be much much better. And that is why it isn't ready for production yet. That means it is not a mainstream distributive. That means nobody will certificate important software for Gentoo, like they do it for SuSE and RedHat.
etc etc etc...
But if you think further, you will see, that real advantage Gentoo can get from
Business installations, cause in that case problem of compiling any new packages goes
to the background. You have to do it once for all 100 or 1000 machines you have...
But the advantage of adjustability will stay! So every company could use any programs compiled in the way they need and easily integrate their own products into it.

But nobody see all these features here. And the problem is - politics. There are people which rule Gentoo and don't want to let it go different way they want.

At the end you was not able to give a list of innovations I've been asked for.
Sorry, but there is nothing here we could talk about, till you will present me the list.

P.S. I didn't got it as an offense. It is just a discussion.
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Phenax · l33t Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 972

Just a friendly reminder; don't expect a distribution to revolve around your ideas and schemes. Your best bet is to implement them yourself, if the developers won't adopt it, make a split-off. As been told to me many times, don't complain until you got the code.

steveL · Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject:

legine · Guru Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 555 Location: Germany

Since Ubuntu all Distros doing a lot to keep their fans with them.
SO basicly the community improves everywhere. Gentoo had the most innovative Community when I joined. Today, Gentoo is innovative in supporting. No other distribution tries to offically support that many applications. Of course you get them on other distribution, but offical support is somewhat ending fast.

I think you can call that innovative.

Well, for those that realy think Portage sucks, portage has now competition: Paludis.
There is also a wiki entry.

Havent tried it yet, thought. I will do that, but havent time to check it out atm

It looks wonderfull thought...