dont use winex!

jaska · Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:11 pm Post subject:

I feel very ashamed to admit I used winex. Fuck them and their greed.

LordDavon · n00b Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Posts: 34

lurid · Guru Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Posts: 595 Location: Florida

How many people do you really think have paid for, and continue to pay for, WineX monthly? I think a few hundred would be an optimistic number. Do you think that feeds the children of the programers? It doesn't. You know what does? Doing deals with other companies, in this case gaming companies. Transgaming backed someone who probably had no intention of porting their game to Linux. Transgaming employees need a paycheck. Its a pretty simple situation to figure out. Idealism is really nice, but in the real world eating is pretty important too.

I'd like to see Spy Hunter or whatever it is (i have absolutly no interest in the game at all) port or at least see a nice big working rating of 5 on Transgamings support list. But if it doesn't happen, so what? They're still going to get cash from the deal and that cash will be used for futher development on their main project: WineX. And you're kidding yourself if you think Wine hasn't benefitted from WineX.

I really don't see how this is such a problem.
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Nicom · Guru Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 380

I would much prefer a new porting company in a similar vein to loki, than a company like transgaming.

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lurid · Guru Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Posts: 595 Location: Florida

Heh. Wouldn't we all. Until then, I guess we take what we can get, eh? If I can play games with WineX that I couldn't otherwise (like Max Payne) then thats a possitive for Linux, even if its a little one. And while releasing a game for Windows with no Linux counterpart is a little dubious, I don't fault them for it. Like it or not, everyone needs to make a buck some how. As long as WineX development doesn't suffer, I could care less what else Transgaming has their hands in. The second WineX development takes a back seat, I'll join in your boycotte, but as yet I just don't see that happening. *shrug*
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sgaap · Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:57 pm Post subject:

But still the main question: does winex work better with windows games than normal wine:

with opengl games: no
with d3d games: not really, only some older games and with a severe performace hit

I think the people who actually pay for winex don't really know this...
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neighborlee · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 13 Oct 2003 Posts: 80

epx · n00b Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Posts: 68

I think the first step to really getting some good games on Linux is getting game developers to start using ogl instead of d3d. ogl is a hell of a lot easier to port than d3d, and AFAIK d3d doesn't really have alot of advances over d3d. Hell if Doom 3 ever comes out it will be Linux native using ogl and still look just as nice as its M$ d3d counterpart. I don't think it would be very hard to put together convincing arguments for game developers to start using more openGL.

If they develope in Open GL they can stand to make alot more money, their games can work on the three major platforms Mac, Linux, and Windows. I truely don't understand why they continue to develope crap for d3d.

Anyone know why they would be using d3d instead of ogl?

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solatis · Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 7:55 pm Post subject:

I still don't see why people are really that pissed off about WineX... what happened to "it is their property, they can do with it what they want!" ... some of you are talking like it's a right to be able to use WineX. No it isn't...

And even people stating that WineX is undermining linux gaming... Excuse me? What do you base that on? I mean, it will be just as well based to say that WineX is showing the gaming companies there definately is a major demand for gaming under linux, and WineX is the way to tell them. In the eyes of gaming companies, linux is used by only geeky people who hardly play games and only write software... now, in my time, this mostly is the fact, but I also like to play a game once in the while and use WineX just for that.

Really, no offense intended, but I think you all should just get over yourself and stop boycotting a company that tries to make money...
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lurid · Guru Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Posts: 595 Location: Florida

Amen, brother.
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wim · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 10:07 am Post subject:

they openly boycott the porting of games to linux...

i don't call that supporting linux gaming...

i don't care if they make profit... but seeing them do something usefull with it would be nice for a change.

we're all smart enough to realize that reverse engeneering directx isn't the answer, its just an intermediate solution, and i guess, unfortunately, transgaming realizes this 2.
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solatis · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 10:35 am Post subject:

wim, please explain to me how they are boycotting the gaming industry. Where do you base that on, and why aren't companies like Transgaming just showing to the public that there is a definite interrest in gaming in the linux community?
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raDeon · n00b Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 58

I personally approve of transgaming and WineX. I just subscribed yesterday and I am very happy with the product.

aanund · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 29 Aug 2002 Posts: 147

most games written for windows use directx, also those games that use opengl for rendering.

if you use directx for a lot of the game already, it seems pretty convenient to just use d3d for the rendering.

d3d has better support for more advanced features than opengl, this might change when/if the opengl2 specification is ever released.

porting a game, from windows to whatever, costs money, even when the rendering code is written in opengl. you have to be quite certain you are going to sell a lot of games to justify that cost when you know the linux and mac game community is laughably small.

libsdl is not the answer to anyones problems, it is still slow, and poor on features. and as for documentation? "what documentation?" is the best answer.

wim · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 5:10 pm Post subject:

SQLBoy · Guru Joined: 17 Aug 2002 Posts: 381

Actually, the real question is...who the hell cares about spy hunter? It looks crappy.

SQLBoy · Guru Joined: 17 Aug 2002 Posts: 381

Cool, post your benchmarks or the link the benchmarks you are referring too please. At least back up your statements.

sgaap · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:06 pm Post subject:

SQLBoy · Guru Joined: 17 Aug 2002 Posts: 381

I don't understand what your saying. Codeweavers sells like 8 different commercial version of Wine. Wine is licensed LGPL for the specific purposes of being able to create commerical emulation products. How is Transgaming trying to screw Codeweavers? Codeweavers has the office niche and all their stuff is closed source as well.

Transgaming is not making much money on the $5. Most of that money goes to licensing the Install Shield code, the copy protection code, and the real Microsoft components that are part of the WineX commerical distro.

SQLBoy · Guru Joined: 17 Aug 2002 Posts: 381

[quote="sgaap"]
Thats true, so if you know no-one with a windows partition then you can install (if you are lucky) a game with winex and run it with normal wine

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This rarely works for Wine/WineX because just like Windows, WineX has a registry and if the application can't find its registry settings, then it usually will not run.

sgaap · Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 7:01 pm Post subject: