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pranyi
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 Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 11:55 am Post subject: Gentoo website - Profile information idea |
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gentoo.org is one of the best support sites on the net.
I wanted to share an idea which could be interesting for imporving the hardware support in gentoo.
There are a lot of postings about problems without mentioning what kind of configuration is used.
What about a new page in the personal profile, which could be used to display informations about the configurations of the computers of the users . I think of something similar as at the linuxcounter.org: informations about the board/cpu/cards etc, but it could also contain some simple benchmark results, used drivers, modules and the version numbers of some important packages (xfree,glibc,...)
This information could be updated by a bash script automatically, so that the users would not have to enter it manually.
There would be a lot of very interesting applications of this:
Combining it with the bug-reports, it could enable several interesting statistics:
1) The effect of different hardware or drivers on the performance of the system.
2) The bugginess of different hardware/softaware configurations
3) Global statistics about the popularity of different hardwares.
It also had a lot of nice side-effects:
For each support question, one would not have to write down the configuration manually.
If someone answers: "but ... works on my system", then one could compare the two configurations to get some clue about the reasons of failure.
I really think that this would be an extremely valuable add-on to the gentoo forums.
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this idea seems really nice to me.especially with laptops , since linux-laptop is dead.
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Like each person has an 'account' on here that they list their hardware, make.conf, XF86COnfig and any other important conf files in. People can look at other ppls acnts to see how they did something. Something like that?
should be fairly easy with a database backend on it...
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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pranyi
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| TheCoop wrote: | People can look at other ppls acnts to see how they did something.
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That could also be an extremely very nice aspect.
What important is, that it should be structured content, not just a simple dump of text.
It would enable nice overall statistics. The owner should be able to add remark to each hardware component separately. So that if someone wants to buy some hardware, a quick search could reveal problems or positive experiences regarding the hardware etc. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| pilla wrote: | | Moved from Gentoo Chat |
But no one will see it in forums feedback. We need someone high up in the gentoo food chain to notice this.
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pranyi
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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I Would have preferred this thread being in the chat, since this is not a concrete suggestion or problem report but simply an idea worth discussion...
The binary portage thread and poll is not in the portage forum either... |
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pilla
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Although I see this to be best fit at GFF, I don't see any problems if you really want to keep it at the GC. I'll move it back there.
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| pilla wrote: | | Although I see this to be best fit at GFF, I don't see any problems if you really want to keep it at the GC. I'll move it back there. |
???? afaics its got nothing to do with the forums, and doesnt include any feedback about the forums...
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Gentoo website - Profile information idea |
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| pranyi wrote: | gentoo.org is one of the best support sites on the net.
I wanted to share an idea which could be interesting for imporving the hardware support in gentoo.
There are a lot of postings about problems without mentioning what kind of configuration is used.
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I really think that this would be an extremely valuable add-on to the gentoo forums. |
I understand that he's talking about Gentoo Forums.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| pilla wrote: | | Although I see this to be best fit at GFF, I don't see any problems if you really want to keep it at the GC. I'll move it back there. |
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Ari Rahikkala
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Hm... I think it would be too much work to really integrate this with the forum software, but perhaps you could take gentoo-stats (see http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@gentoo.org/msg18816.html , BTW), set up a new server for it and generally make it work so that people will feel safe publishing their system IDs for everyone. After all, it was designed for pretty much the goals that you mentioned - automatic gathering of information and sending it to a central server, creating statistics, measuring bugginess, etc.. I don't think you'll see take any hold as an "official" part of Gentoo or the forums before you Show Them The Code, though.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Ari Rahikkala wrote: | set up a new server for it and generally make it work so that people will feel safe publishing their system IDs for everyone.
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Personally, I am not really afraid of publishing the configuration of my system. I don't know how many people are. Of course, it should not be abligatory, just welcomed. One could also consider to allow only those people to see the configurations of other individuals only if they share their owns.
One of the main reason for using the scheme would be to learn from other peoples configuration files. If somebody writes "Hey, XYZ is working all right on my box without problems, I can't imagine why it does not work on yours", then I would be able to compare configurations and debug the problems. Perhaps steal ideas and parts of the configuration files.
On the other hand, it must be a real database. If it is just some unstructured text, it would not be a really useful stuff. It must be structured content. And moreover, the user should be able to add remarks to his hadrware components: e.g. that 5.1 output does not work on the sound card etc.
If someone would plan to buy some hardware, then it should be able to search for that piece and look how many people use it and how well it works.
Adding benchmark results to that information, one could estimate the effect of different hardware components on the performance.
The whole information has to be generated easily and automatically. I think that some bash script would be enough. It could create the output file and let the user check what is sent (it must not be a spyware), and delete sensitive parts of it. Perhaps the script should be written so, that it blanks out all occuring pathes which are outside the system directories. It could also block information which could pose legal problem for the user (like the usage of some patented stuff).
What I anticipate is a transparent and structured hardware and configuration file database integrated with the forums.
I suspect that this unmatched feature would make even more attractive to be part of the gentoo community. |
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