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R0bur
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 Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:09 pm Post subject: Miniman Installation CD doesn't have FTP client |
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Why not to have an FTP client on the Minimal Installation CD (MI-CD)?
I understand that wget can be used to download files from FTP servers. But what about uploading some things to an FTP server? For example, to save configuration files that are changed during installation.
MI-CD is designed not for installation only, but for troubles solve too. And FTP server can be easily started up on any host for emergency files exchange.
So I vote for having the standard Linux FTP-client net-ftp/ftp on MI-CD. And what do you think? |
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NeddySeagoon
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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R0bur,
Welcome to Gentoo.
Use scp for file transfer to other hosts, or rsync even.
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R0bur
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| NeddySeagoon wrote: | R0bur,
Welcome to Gentoo.
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Thank you!
| NeddySeagoon wrote: | | Use scp for file transfer to other hosts, or rsync even. |
scp and rsync are great tools in the Linux/Unix environment. But they are not easy to use for transfer files to Windows host. |
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NeddySeagoon
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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R0bur,
There is sneakernet too. You don't even need a working network.
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grknight
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| R0bur wrote: | | NeddySeagoon wrote: | | Use scp for file transfer to other hosts, or rsync even. |
scp and rsync are great tools in the Linux/Unix environment. But they are not easy to use for transfer files to Windows host. |
There are lots of tools for scp on windows.. see for yourself on Win10/11: winget search scp
Even Microsoft has a full OpenSSH port |
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R0bur
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| NeddySeagoon wrote: | R0bur,
There is sneakernet too. You don't even need a working network. |
NeddySeagoon,
but that is an overhead when you use VMs on a single host. Virtual network can be acquired automatically in most these cases.
Anyway, thank you for the recommendations about scp and rsync. I don't used these tools before because FTP was more straight way for my use cases. I'm going to study how to use them. |
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NeddySeagoon
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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R0bur,
You keep expanding the problem space :)
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John R. Graham
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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The livedvd has an ftp client. So does the Admin CD, sabayonino's LRS, and many others. All of these listed ones are Gentoo-based (not that that's necessary) and perfectly fine for installing Gentoo.
(Alas, SystemRescueCD is no longer Gentoo-based. It used to be my go-to installation media.)
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R0bur
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| grknight wrote: | | R0bur wrote: | | NeddySeagoon wrote: | | Use scp for file transfer to other hosts, or rsync even. |
scp and rsync are great tools in the Linux/Unix environment. But they are not easy to use for transfer files to Windows host. |
There are lots of tools for scp on windows.. see for yourself on Win10/11: winget search scp
Even Microsoft has a full OpenSSH port |
scp is a good solution to transfer files from Windows to Linux but not the other way around. I use SFK (Swiss File Knife) tool to run FTP server on Windows when I need, and it doesn't require installation or admin permissions. And most live images have FTP-client to make files exchange possible. |
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R0bur
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| John R. Graham wrote: | The livedvd has an ftp client. So does the Admin CD, sabayonino's LRS, and many others. All of these listed ones are Gentoo-based (not that that's necessary) and perfectly fine for installing Gentoo.
(Alas, SystemRescueCD is no longer Gentoo-based. It used to be my go-to installation media.)
- John |
Yes, you're right. But the Minimal CD is so small and contains so many useful tools. The only thing I was missing was an FTP client. So I asked if anyone else would like to place it there. |
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R0bur
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| NeddySeagoon wrote: | R0bur,
You keep expanding the problem space  |
NeddySeagoon,
I won't do it again!  |
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grknight
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Similar to this is Rclone which is a multi-platform (there's even a Gentoo ebuild) copy tool which does not require a full installation.
Windows can serve over SFTP with: rclone serve sftp [options] C:\transfer
Edit: FTP is a poor protocol for modern times. |
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R0bur
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| grknight wrote: | Similar to this is Rclone which is a multi-platform (there's even a Gentoo ebuild) copy tool which does not require a full installation.
Windows can serve over SFTP with: rclone serve sftp [options] C:\transfer
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Just now I had transferred files between Windows host and Gentoo VM (booted from the Minimal Installation CD) using putty on the Windows side and sshd on the Gentoo side. It was not so easy, like FTP, but it is possible.
| grknight wrote: | | Edit: FTP is a poor protocol for modern times. |
Nobody will use FTP in production today. But for tranfer files in a secure environment — why not? |
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