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hi, i was wondering why is the gentoo installation so long? i was trying to install gentoo witha friend on his pc and it took almost a whole day ( we are noobs to installing gentoo, and to the linux world itself) but how come the other linux distros (like mandrake and redhat) dont take as long to install? just to letyou know im not dissing gentoo, i like it very much, i use it on my xbox....but can someonetell me why its a long installation ?
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Because it install's everything from source. In other words, it compiles everything THEN installs it. This way it's optimized specifically for your machine.
And with the use of USE FLAGS, you ONLY have on the machine what you want. No more, no less.
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Gentoo Linux compiles everything from source. Compiling code takes a long time.
Nearly all other distros install pre-compiled binaries. These are installed a lot quicker as the time consuming compiling has already been done.
There are pros and cons to both approaches, and the debate as to whether compiling everything from source actually benefits any gentoo user will rage on and on for a long time.
Anyway. You can install gentoo using binary packages which is quicker. There's details about it in the handbook. Look for sections on stage 3 and GRP.
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| oh ok, well i guess that sounds good...now i have another problem....i have two computers but they are in different rooms and im trying to install gentoo on one computer, which means i would have to get up go downstairs to the windows comp every time to look at the next code/instructin/step to install, is there an easier way ? |
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You may look at stage3 install, take confidence with USE and portage and then recompile your system from scratch.......while doing some voodo stuff.  |
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Mostly I do my Gentoo installs this way:
1. Boot the LiveCD.
2. Get networking operational, ie edit /etc/conf.d/net, modprobe nic module etc according to the manual.
3. passwd (set root password).
4. /etc/init.d/sshd start
Everything from here I do on a windows machine and Putty terminal (any ssh client will do). This makes it easy to copy/paste commands and error messages.
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| DarkManX4lf wrote: | | oh ok, well i guess that sounds good...now i have another problem....i have two computers but they are in different rooms and im trying to install gentoo on one computer, which means i would have to get up go downstairs to the windows comp every time to look at the next code/instructin/step to install, is there an easier way ? |
AFAIK, you only have the following options:
1. Use ssh (e.g. putty) to connect to the installing gentoo machine (easiest)
2. Make a print out of the gentoo handbook. (second easiest)
3. Use lynx or links2 (which ever is available) if you can stand text base browser. (if you don't want to kill trees)
4. Read, understand and then summarize the gentoo handbook into steps before starting the installation. (good for learning)
5. And maybe go as far as write a shell script to drive the installation. (only for the insane)
HTH
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| Quote: | 1. Boot the LiveCD.
2. Get networking operational, ie edit /etc/conf.d/net, modprobe nic module etc according to the manual.
3. passwd (set root password).
4. /etc/init.d/sshd start
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based on that reply, a few questions came to mind...ok so what woul i need on my windows pc to controll the other pc with the linux installation ? also the pc that i will be installing gentoo on has windows on it already, and i know you can use lilo or grub i think (?) to give the option onwhich os to boot, but would that be easy to do ? |
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| DarkManX4lf wrote: | | Quote: | 1. Boot the LiveCD.
2. Get networking operational, ie edit /etc/conf.d/net, modprobe nic module etc according to the manual.
3. passwd (set root password).
4. /etc/init.d/sshd start
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based on that reply, a few questions came to mind...ok so what woul i need on my windows pc to controll the other pc with the linux installation ? also the pc that i will be installing gentoo on has windows on it already, and i know you can use lilo or grub i think (?) to give the option onwhich os to boot, but would that be easy to do ? |
Install putty on your Windows machine, and you can ssh into the gentoo installing box and control it remotely. It's very easy to do.
It's also easy to get Grub to boot Windows, and you should have no problems with that. Dual booting is very easy to set up.
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| DarkManX4lf wrote: |
based on that reply, a few questions came to mind...ok so what woul i need on my windows pc to controll the other pc with the linux installation ? also the pc that i will be installing gentoo on has windows on it already, and i know you can use lilo or grub i think (?) to give the option onwhich os to boot, but would that be easy to do ? |
One more thing, you will need to have networked both PC before you can use ssh to connect to the installing gentoo PC. Since you did not mention if they are networked, I thought to remind you.
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| oh im sorry, yes both computers are networked using a dlink 604 router. |
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One more thing, you will need to have networked both PC before you can use ssh to connect to the installing gentoo PC. Since you did not mention if they are networked, I thought to remind you. |
You got to be kidding even suggesting that....
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DarkManX4lf
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| well anyway, i just started to install gentoo, and i ran into a problem...i cant configure the network, i know what my wan ip address is, i know what my lan ip address is...but im not sure what my gateway, netmask, and broadcast ips are, can someone help me configure it? and yes i did try to the auto config thing but it does not work and it keeps giving me lo and not eth0.... |
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| sorry i keep updating this same post, but the manual does not say anything abotu existing partitions or how to resize a existing partition, what i want to do is resize the existing windows ntfs partition, and use the existing space for a linux installation....i just dont know how to do this...any help would be appreciated... |
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ont he computer you are installing from, first you need to run passwd and set a password, then you need to type /etc/init.d/sshd start then with telnet, log in with the username as root and the password with whatever you set the password to
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| thx i got the ssh and putty to work, but its just the matter of resizing the existing windows partition in order to save my windows boot, and install linux on the rest of the drive, how would i go about doing that, and also setting up grub or lilo. |
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resizing a partition is always risky, the best program ive seen for it is partition magic, but i wouldnt ever recommend resizing a partition, i copied everything on to another hard drive, installed my windows again, on a smaller partition, and then installed, gentoo, as far as grub or lilo, as long as you let them have the MBR you should be ok, just make sure you put windows in the config so you can use them, i woudlnt recommend using windows boot.ini to get into linux, windows doesnt seem to like linux much and has caused problems from what ive seen
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ok, so im up to the part where i want to install portage...in the manual it says to use the snapshot if you dont have network support...but i do have network support so how would i install portage without using the cd? is it "emerge portage" ? |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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no you want to use links ( a text based browser) to go to one of the gentoo mirrors and download the latest portage snapshot
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/mirrors.xml
go there and choose one of the ftp or http choices, to download in links press d once its highlighted, save it to / directory and then follow the steps as per the manual
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:14 am Post subject: |
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ok now im up to "6.d. Progressing from Stage2 to Stage3" and i assume that i dont have to bootstrap anything....right? so i do a and it gives me this error | Quote: | !!! ERROR: sys-apps/gawk-3.1.3-r1 failed.
!!! Function src_compile, Line 44, Exitcode 77
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i dont know what i did wrong, i followed the instructions word for word....i used the athlon-xp stage 2 install.........someone help
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do you have internet on this comp? if so, did you try an emerge sync yet?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| yes i have internet and i did emerge sync |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| pretty much when i emerge anything it gives me a similar error |
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that....is not good, it could be some problem with gcc, um... emerge -pv system and paste output[/b]
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These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating system dependencies ...done!
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/gawk-3.1.3-r1 -build +nls -(uclibc) 0 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/groff-1.18.1-r4 +X -cjk 2,310 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/cronbase-0.3 [empty/missing/bad digest]
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/man-1.5l-r6 +nls 213 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-libs/db-4.1.25_p1-r3 -doc -java -tcltk 3,008 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-libs/db-1.85-r1 0 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-libs/gdbm-1.8.0-r5 +berkdb -static 0 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/libperl-5.8.2 +berkdb -debug +gdbm -threads 11,617 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-lang/perl-5.8.2-r1 +berkdb -doc +gdbm -threads -(uclibc) 11,617 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/autoconf-2.59-r3 1,336 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/flex-2.5.4a-r5 -build -static 372 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/automake-1.8.3 2,552 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-libs/glib-1.2.10-r5 411 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/miscfiles-1.3-r1 -(uclibc) 2,153 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-libs/cracklib-2.7-r8 -debug 20 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-libs/pam-0.77 +berkdb -pwdb -(selinux) 3,551 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/shadow-4.0.4.1-r3 +nls +pam -(selinux) -(uclibc) 795 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/pam-login-3.14 -livecd +nls -(selinux) 137 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/grep-2.5.1-r1 -build +nls -static -(uclibc) 667 kB
[ebuild N ] app-crypt/hashalot-0.3 78 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/util-linux-2.12-r4 +crypt +nls +pam -(selinux) -static -(uclibc) 1,819 kB
[ebuild U ] sys-apps/baselayout-1.9.4-r3 [1.8.6.13] -bootstrap -build -livecd -(selinux) -static -(uclibc) 197 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-python/python-fchksum-1.7.1 0 kB
[ebuild N ] app-arch/bzip2-1.0.2-r3 -build -debug -static 649 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/help2man-1.29 36 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/coreutils-5.2.1 -acl -build +nls -(selinux) -static -(uclibc) 4,255 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/debianutils-1.16.7-r4 -build -static 25 kB
[ebuild N ] app-shells/bash-2.05b-r9 -build +nls -(uclibc) 1,923 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-libs/readline-4.3-r4 940 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/bc-1.06-r5 +readline 272 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/diffutils-2.8.4-r4 -build +nls -static 809 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-libs/openssl-0.9.7d-r1 -emacs -(uclibc) 4,866 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-libs/expat-1.95.6-r1 285 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-lang/python-2.3.3-r1 +X +berkdb -bootstrap -build -doc +gdbm -ipv6 +ncurses +readline +ssl -tcltk -(uclibc) -ucs2 7,026 kB
[ebuild U ] sys-apps/portage-2.0.50-r9 [2.0.50-r5] -build -multilib -(selinux) 0 kB
*** Portage will stop merging at this point and reload itself,
recalculate dependencies, and complete the merge.
You may avoid the remerging of packages by updating portage on its own.
[ebuild U ] sys-devel/binutils-2.14.90.0.8-r1 [2.14.90.0.7-r4] -bootstrap -build -multitarget +nls 10,777 kB
[ebuild U ] sys-devel/gcc-3.3.3-r6 [3.3.2-r5] +X -bootstrap -build -debug -f77 -gcj -hardened -java -multilib +nls -objc -pic -static -(uclibc) 23,203 kB
[ebuild U ] sys-libs/glibc-2.3.3.20040420 [2.3.2-r9] -build -debug -erandom +nls -nptl -pic 15,671 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/module-init-tools-3.0-r2 117 kB
[ebuild N ] app-shells/sash-3.6 +readline 49 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-libs/slang-1.4.9 -cjk 616 kB
[ebuild N ] app-editors/nano-1.3.2-r1 -build -debug -justify +ncurses +nls -nomac +slang +spell -wsconvert 922 kB
[ebuild N ] net-misc/dhcpcd-1.3.22_p4-r4 -build -static 148 kB
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[ebuild N ] net-misc/iputils-021109-r3 -ipv6 -static -(uclibc) 418 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-libs/popt-1.7-r1 +nls 561 kB
[ebuild N ] net-misc/rsync-2.6.0-r2 -acl -build -static 517 kB
[ebuild N ] net-misc/wget-1.9-r2 -build -debug -ipv6 +nls -socks5 +ssl -static 1,309 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/kbd-1.12-r2 +nls 864 kB
[ebuild N ] app-arch/cpio-2.5 181 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-fs/e2fsprogs-1.35 +nls -static 3,078 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/ed-0.2-r3 181 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/fbset-2.1 27 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/file-4.08 -build 356 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/findutils-4.1.20-r1 -afs -build +nls -(selinux) -static 759 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/slocate-2.7-r5 -(uclibc) 110 kB
[ebuild N ] app-arch/gzip-1.3.3-r4 -build +nls -static 304 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/hdparm-5.4 0 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/less-381 259 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/man-pages-1.67 1,585 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/net-tools-1.60-r8 -build +nls -static -(uclibc) 203 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/procps-3.1.15 260 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/psmisc-21.2-r4 +nls -(selinux) 252 kB
[ebuild U ] sys-apps/sed-4.0.9 [4.0.7] -build +nls -static 751 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/setserial-2.17-r2 51 kB
[ebuild N ] app-arch/sharutils-4.2.1-r9 +nls 298 kB
[ebuild N ] app-arch/ncompress-4.2.4 -build 31 kB
[ebuild N ] app-arch/tar-1.14 -build +nls -static 1,052 kB
[ebuild U ] sys-apps/texinfo-4.6 [4.5] -build +nls -static 1,316 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/which-2.16 122 kB
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[ebuild U ] sys-devel/m4-1.4.1 [1.4-r1] -bootstrap +nls 335 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/make-3.80 -build +nls -static -(uclibc) 899 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-libs/pwdb-0.62 -(selinux) 130 kB
[ebuild U ] sys-libs/zlib-1.2.1-r2 [1.1.4-r2] -build 277 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/tcp-wrappers-7.6-r8 -ipv6 -static 115 kB
[ebuild N ] net-misc/openssh-3.8.1_p1-r1 -X509 -chroot -ipv6 -kerberos -ldap +pam -(selinux) -skey -smartcard -static +tcpd -(uclibc) 939 kB
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